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Issue

Zones of interaction (frontiers) between cultural groups in various parts of the world have historically been locations of social integration and stability
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Thesis

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The process of nation building stimulated by long distance trade grew to global proportions in the 18th and 19th century which allowed the diffusion and integration of political, social and technological ideas resulting in social stability in nations around the globe.SarahAnnMariePreston 23:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC) [4:05 PM]

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Opening Statement - a work in progress

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Zones of interaction, or frontiers, in various parts of the world have historically been locations of social integration and stability. During the 18th and 19th century, eastern Europe saw the centralization of political authority, and the creation of nation states. The conditions required in the creation of nation states in Europe and their subsequent expansionism closely parallels the conditions resulting in the creation of kingdoms as described in the text. This process saw rival village groups united under one mans ambition, backed by long distance trade relations and the creation of a strong kingdom. This unification of peoples resulted in social integration and stability through social change. European expansionism can be demonstrated as the same process on a global scale. The nations European states established trade relations with were at a critical social, political, and economic place in their histories. The intrusion of European powers for the purpose of trade resulted in the infusion of new ideas critical to creating the social change necessary to re-establish social stability.

The development of kingdoms with the stimulus of trade is seen in East Africa in the area of Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda. The trade of Portuguese, Arabs from Oman, Indians, French, British, Americans and Germans at Indian Ocean ports 'financed the organization of city-states on the coast and large kingdoms in the interior regions of east and central Africa.' These regions were rich in trade products from ivory to slaves and spices. While conflict may have characterized this flourishing trade region during its development, it resolved as a thriving and prosperous one into the 19th century. --VanessaCleary 06:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
edited for flow and # count SarahAnnMariePreston 14:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

India, a large country governed by rival principalities, exhibited a level of social instability that not only moved the British East India company to become politically involved, but also the British government itself. The direct imposition of the British saw the process of industrialization and the introduction of an education system not only supporting the economy, but also supporting social stability. The direct involvement of the British created massive social change. When the British controlled government was eventually overthrown, the individuals taking over were educated in western European ideas. Where originally there was a large state fractured by conflicting principalities, there resolved a country unified by a new overall government schooled in old and new.

Japan, embarassed by the imposing strength of the western European Powers, strove to become an Imperial Power itself. Japan set about introducing the same massive reformation process seen in our example of India. The same social, political and economic instability allowed the existing social order to be overthrown. The resulting government oversaw great social change, revealing a society that retained its traditional identity integrated with western ideas capable of standing along side the European powers. Where India and Japan integrated western European ideas to become socially stable, Brazil is an example of the integration of three culturally different peoples to create a new national identity. The resulting culture exhibits aspects of all three contributing groups, the indigenous peoples, Africans, and Spaniards. The level of social upwards mobility and the creation of social classes based on cross ethnic heritage can attest to this level of integration.

Canada is another example of stability in a zone with social integration. The early Canadian landscape consisted of indigenous natives, French and British emigrants. The development of the Canadian government took into consideration the needs of its people and built a government based on elected representatives. The added concern of conflict with Canada's southern neigbour provided able stimulus in integrating these culturally different people and allowed them to avoid major territorial and political disputes.--VanessaCleary 06:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
edited for flow and # count SarahAnnMariePreston 14:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

European Powers introduced the process of social change resulting in integration and social stability. Social change is characterized by three main mechanisms that can be observed in all four examples. These main mechanisms are Conflict, Tension and Adaptation, and Diffusion of Innovation. Conflict is a key stimulus in the creation of more complex levels of social organization, such as kingdoms and nation states. On the East African coast, tension caused by communication barriers was resolved by the adaptation of languages to create trade a language, Swahili. Diffusion of Innovation played a huge role in the establishment of socially stable nations. The diffusion of European ideas of governace and education allowed the creation of stronger centralized governments able to respond to the newly connected world. In short, the process of nation building stimulated by long distance trade grew to global proportions in the 18th and 19th century which allowed the diffusion and integration of political, social and technological ideas resulting in social stability in nations around the globe. SarahAnnMariePreston 05:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[10:08PM]

SarahAnnMariePreston 14:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[7:31AM]


Zones of interaction, or frontiers, in various parts of the world have historically been locations of social integration and stability. During the 18th and 19th century, eastern Europe saw the centralization of political authority, and the creation of nation states. The conditions required in the creation of nation states in Europe and their subsequent expansionism closely parallels the conditions resulting in the creation of kingdoms as described in the text. This process saw rival village groups united under one mans ambition, backed by long distance trade relations and the creation of a strong kingdom. This unification of peoples resulted in social integration and stability through social change. European expansionism can be demonstrated as the same process on a global scale. The nations European states established trade relations with were at a critical social, political, and economic place in their histories. The intrusion of European powers for the purpose of trade resulted in the infusion of new ideas critical to creating the social change necessary to re-establish social stability.

The creation of kingdoms in the Congo River basin, ' a region where brisk economic development supported the emergence of large as well as small kingdoms' after 1200 C.E., resulted in central governments capable of integrating rival village groups into stable societies.

India, a large country that featured many rival principalities and exhibited a level of social instability that not only moved the British East India company to become politically involved, but also the British government itself. The direct imposition of the British saw the process of industrialization and the introduction of an education system not only supporting the economy, but also supporting social stability. The establishment of an education system introduced western ideas that became important to the eventual self governace and stability of India. The direct involvement of the British government created massive social change. When the British controlled government was eventually overthrown, the individuals taking over were educated in western European ideas, like self-governace, constitutions, and administrative practices where originally there was a large state fractured by conflicting principalities. There resolved a country unified by a new overall government schooled in old and new.

Japan, threatened and embarassed by the imposing strength of the western European Powers, strove to become an Imperial Power itself. Japan set about introducing the same massive reformation process seen in India. This process was possible due to the same social, political and economic instability observed in India. This instability allowed the existing government to be overthrown, and the establishment of a new more daring government capable of of resolving these issues by following in the path of the European powers. Japan integrated western ideas into every level of its society, including its government, education system, military and economy. The resulting industrialized Japan underwent great social change resulting in an integrated society retaining its traditional identity integrated with western ideas and a strong central government capable of standing along side the European powers.

Brazil is an example of a country socially integrated to a larger degree. Where India and Japan integrated western European ideas to become socially stable, Brazil is an example of the integration of very different cultures to create a new national identity. The process of social change here involved the synthesis of three different social structures, languages, and traditions with western European ideas of governace, technology and knowledge. The resulting culture exhibits aspects of all three contributing groups, the indigenous peoples, Africans, and Spaniards. The level of social upwards mobility and creation of social classes based on cross ethnic heritage can attest to this level of integration.


Canada is another example of stability in a zone with social integration. The early Canadian landscape consisted of French Canadians, Natives of the region and the British. Having taken a lesson from the neighbor in the south, the Canadian government creation took into consideration the needs of the people in the area and built a government that is responsible to the people. The elected representatives give the people a voice and they learn to work together and avoided major territorial and political disputes.--VanessaCleary 06:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


On the other side of the globe, East Africa in the area of Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda provide further proof that areas with different cultural groups bring about stability. The Portuguese, Arabs from Oman, Indian traders, French, British, American and German all had a presence in this area. This region is rich in trade products from ivory and slaves to spices to spices that are farmed by the indigenous people. While little skirmish might have arose the area over flourished in trade and the region remained a thriving and prosperous region into the 19th century. --VanessaCleary 06:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

European Powers introduced the process of social change resulting in integration and social stability. Social change is characterized by three main mechanisms that can be observed in all four examples. These main mechanisms are Conflict, Tension and Adaptation, and Diffusion of Innovation. Conflict is a key stimulus in the creation of more complex levels of social organization, such as kingdoms and nation states. Tension and Adaptation, for example, can be seen in the interaction of peoples of different cultures through the process of trade. Tension caused by communication barriers, resolved in the adaptation of both languages to create a trade language, such as Swahili. By differences in religious beliefs, such as the use of animal fat by the British to grease protective paper on bullet cartridges used by Indian military units. This tension was resolved by adaptation, and the use of something less unoffensive instead. Diffusion of Innovation played a huge role in the establishment of socially stable nations. The introduction of the industrialization process created wage labour for landless peasants unable to support themselves. The diffusion of European ideas of governace and education allowed the creation of stronger centralized governments and a larger literate population able to respond to the newly connected world. In short, the process of nation building stimulated by long distance trade grew to global proportions in the 18th and 19th century which allowed the diffusion and integration of political, social and technological ideas resulting in social stability in nations around the globe.
SarahAnnMariePreston 05:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[10:08PM]

I will be on-line again at 6AM tommorow (monday) to work on a bibliography and collaborate on any revisions you folks will have made. This currently stands at 840 odd words. If not already done so, I will post this to the debate forum around 8:30AM SarahAnnMariePreston 05:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


Sarah, I have added a couple of paragraphs in the middle to show examples of regions where stability can happen in zones with different cultures. In reading the assignment details, I did not see a thesis nor a biography. In case that save you some work. Thanks for submitting the assignment.--VanessaCleary 06:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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Christopher (???)

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In reading the assignment and module material further, I realized that we are to use the zones outlined in the reading and use them in our argument. Below are the three zones that are "locations of social integration and stability".

Brazil racial groups – portuguese, creoles

“the emperor served as a focal point of unity and a central administration stayed intact. He was aided and abetted by a set of able administrators - creoles who had been trained in a Portuguese university (Coimbra).”

Canada
“In avoiding the policies which had alienated the Americans and with an eye on accommodating French Canadians, the British pursued forms of representative government and a measure of toleration of the Catholic religion and existing civil legal arrangements.” Southern Africa – not good


East Africa: Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda “This zone is today made up of three states: Kenya, Tanzania (includes Zanzibar island) and Uganda on the shores of Lake Victoria.” - Interactions between migrants from overseas and host groups were driven by trade.

Let me know if you agree and I could expand on this.


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my only outline idea so far....please come up with something more creative!


Rough Outline

Issue - Pro- zones locations of integration and stability

Points

  • Language?

creole, swahili, anywhere that developed a trade language

  • Culture?

syncretic ie. South America- mix of African, indigenous American, Spanish- foods, social pyramid, religion etc.

  • Colonies in general

New Zealand, S.America, India (in antiquity also- Hindu/Islamic relations etc)


Points Con

  • Colonial aquisitions such as North America and Australia, characterized by segregation
  • Mexico, characterized by instability and fracturing of political zones

SarahAnnMariePreston 18:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


Rough Thesis ideas

The industrial powers took advantage of existing political and social instability within the cultures they intruded upon. The lack of stability coupled with difference in trade priorities prompted the industrial powers to create political and social stability by exerting greater control over the cultures they intruded upon. The resulting interactions from this process created social change not only by way of the industrialization process introduced by the foreigners, but also by the 'diffusion of innovation'.

the body of our opening statement may also include

Diffusion of innovation is part of the process of social change which is also characterized by Conflict, and Tension and Adaptation. The process of social change, set in motion in zones of interaction, results in social stability and integration.

another idea we may also explore is that these zones of interaction created integration and stability amongst the various european merchants and their trade partners. There must be more to this in terms of colonists, as pointed out by Vanessa, in modern times, zones such as vancouver and Brittain are multi-ethnic.


re-reading african political organization in the text, I notice the reasons given for the formation of kingdoms closely parallels the characteristic expansionism of industrial powers. Politically, African society was based on kinship groups, villages, and districts, districts being the largest social identification. Population growth led to frequent conflict between districts, which prompted the formation of kingoms. Districts that originally did not identify with each other are now unified by one man and his fairly singular purpose. There is a level of social integration here. Also, kingdoms formed in areas with supporting "brisk economic development". This pattern seems to be mirrored, on a larger scale, by European expansionism. Though initially initiated for the economic and social stability of the industrial powers themselves, you have to admit, it looks good. Also, as noted above, the existing instability of nations intruded upon required political intervention of the intruders, much as the creation of a kingdom does. Also, to maintain social stability, the economy must match the nations population growth. Populations in Africa, India, China, Japan, had reached critical levels and famines and rebellions were happening. Given that agriculture had already been intensified to the best that indigenous innovation could provide, industrialization and social change were the next natural step in order to support such large populations in a socially stable way. Naturally, the changes required to do this caused conflict. The establishment of a unifying stronger gov't by either intruders or indigenous people helped the process of social change along. The institutions introduced by these gov'ts, ie. schools, aided the integration of old and new ideas along, providing a basis for social unity, and allowed for stability. Even in the case of India, where the British controlled gov't was eventually overthrown, the individuals taking over were educated in western european ideas, like self-governace, constitutions, administrative practices.... where originally there was a large state fractured by conflicting principalities, there resolved a country unified by a new overall govt schooled in old and new. Japan skipped the political intrusion of imperial control. Japan sought out and brought home the western ideas and used them to it's best advantage. But again, the same pattern as seen with the creation of african kingdoms, and has same outcome of integration and stability.SarahAnnMariePreston 03:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


I would deffinately like to run with Brazil as a good example. One of the articles I have posted on the discussion page describes how the spanish emmigrants social structure and cultural traditions adapted in response to the new environment and cultures co-existing in the new world. The point, not a big point, I would prove there is that the imposing european culture was not necessarily the dominating one. I would like to show that a synthesis occured and the resulting interactions resulted in a stable, integrated culture. I also feel that Japan would be an excellent example. While they resisted the level of foreign imposition (control of trade, impositions on government) exhibited in other places, they integrated western european knowlegde, technology, and political processes into their culture to become an equal power in the world while still maintaining a level of their traditional identity. The process involved, key being industrialization and gov't leadership, introduced a level of stability that had not been there before. Again, as I mentioned in my earlier discussion of this assignment, this change in direction occured at a time of civil unrest and famine.

I would like to discuss what our main points are. What features do these examples all share that would constitute as points of proof? We also need to decide on a thesis, this will make this much easier.

My idea for a thesis revolves around the idea that key in all this is the process of social change. The points I would use are the three features of social change. I would use each colonial example we have discussed (three to four you think?) to illustrate each of these features of social change as a process that leads to social integration and stability.

This is what I suggest for an outline.

What are your thoughts?

We dont have a whole lot of time to collaborate on a thesis and outline. If you have something you prefer, post it this morning and we can move on to the body of our opening statement.

I will check back in a couple hours (noonish). I would like to submit a completed opening statement, with bibliography, before 9pm tonight.
SarahAnnMariePreston 17:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[ 10AM....time stamp is not set correctly]

Zones of interaction, or frontiers, in various parts of the world have historically been locations of social integration and stability. The mid 19th century was characterized by the centralization of political authority and the creation of nation-states. (brittanica) This time period saw western european states undergo the process of industrialization, and seek out additional sources of raw materials to build their economies. The nations western european states established trade relations with were all at a critical social and political stage that aided the europeans in establishing these trade relations. In order for the european nations to maintain economically favorable trade conditions, the foreigners found it necessary in impose varying levels of political control to create stability.


The European Nation states, or industrial powers, exhibit a naturally occuring pattern of social integration stimulated by trade on a much larger scale than the process responsible for the creation of cities. {Eastern Africa case study- this is the area the text mentioned as an example of the creation of kingdoms due to long distance islamic/christian trade, right??}

The industrial powers, seeking economic success in trading with other regions of the world, introduced key ideas and processes necessary for the countries they established trade agreements with to achieve a new level of social stability. This required the integration of new ideas with their traditional identity, and in some cases the creation of a new cultural identity based on a synthesis of cultures. (India, Japan, Brazil)

They arrived in the frontiers, in several cases, at a time when these countires were at a critical economic, political and social junctures in their history. These countries were experiencing peasant rebellions due to famine caused by several factors, but key among them being massive population growth, the concentration of land in the hands of the priviledged few, and the inability of the governing powers to cope with this problem due to lack of innovation. The interaction with industrialized powers allowed for the diffusion of innovation, and the process of industrialization to begin. The new social, political, and technological ideas introduced gave these nations the ability to cope with the issues they were faced with. {this does not really apply to Brazil, but to India and Japan, Brazil would be it's own case study}

Industrialization ment that landless peasants would be able to support themselves by providing wage labour. The industrialization process, along with the diffusion of political and social ideas from interacting with western European industrialized nations through trade, caused social change. Social change is a natural process of the integration of old ideas with new achieving social stability. This process is characterized by three key features, all of which can be historically demonstrated by the interactive zones of India, Japan, Brazil, and East Africa.


this is very rough, requires organizing, and needs to be about 700 words. This is around 400 words.SarahAnnMariePreston 23:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[4:05PM]

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Rough Rebuttal- max 500 words

a cut and paste job - needs to be edited for clarity, flow, word count, and needs an intro and a close off...SarahAnnMariePreston 05:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[sept 10, 10:25PM]

"Africans would experience colonial expansion and exploitation, which would eventually lead to a “civilizing mission” as an attempt by Europeans to somewhat assimilate Africans into their own cultural realm, which gives further evidence to the turmoil that came about as a result of this clash of cultures."

{In southern Africa, the settlement of the Dutch at Cape Town established a trading post that brought the Khoisan and the Bantu-speaking herders and farmers to the same area. Over time they mingled and produced offsprings known as the Coloured which are mainly Khoisan and European. This group later rise up to take control of the area after the Napoleonic war. In eastern Africa, the trading among the various different local tribes and the foreigner necessitated a common language for trade and Swahili was born in this zone of interaction.--VanessaCleary

"As European presence increased in South Africa, many were forced to take part in the Great Trek eastward to avoid British rule or remain outside the sphere of their influence" the Boers relied on slavery, key to the glut of agricultural products found in Cape Town, so much so that African born whites could not make a living. When the Brits won control of The Cape via the Napoleonic Wars, the Brits brought their Enlightened Liberal policies with them. This included the abolishment of slavery. The Boers were impelled to take on "The Great Trek" in order to maintain the key to their livelyhoods...Slaves. avoided British rule so as to continue their oppression of the native Africans. The influence of the British was an attempt to create stability.

While the Boers can be proven as being key oppressors of the natives, they can also be demonstrated as exhibiting a level of integration with them. This can be shown, for example, in the mixed race dependents noted as numbering in their party. It can also be shown in the evolution of their own unique language Afrikaans, a combination of Dutch, native tongue and other...likely other European languages, like French via the Hugenots and German. Another example of the integration of cultures.Sarah Preston

"In Europe, countries that were able to maintain their dominant ideology and defend their borders, such as England, France, and Spain, became the most powerful countries."

{these countries became powerful due to control of long distance trade....ie. positive, beneficial interaction between diff. cultures. adaptation- learn languages and "pleasantries" such as avoidance of social fo-pa's....ie adoption of Islamic religion in Africa for the purpose of trade, or the development of a trade language like swahili} [copied from Sarah's rough ideas]SarahAnnMariePreston 14:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC) {I would also like to add that these countries governments became strong due to a change in ideology. Political and social revolutions brought the needs and ideas of the people to the fore, creating a society more inclusive of the opinions of all classes and also granting control of trade and commerce into private hands. Sarah Preston

SarahAnnMariePreston 05:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[Sept 10, 10:25PM]






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Vanessa's Point

"Africans would experience colonial expansion and exploitation, which would eventually lead to a “civilizing mission” as an attempt by Europeans to somewhat assimilate Africans into their own cultural realm, which gives further evidence to the turmoil that came about as a result of this clash of cultures."

{In southern Africa, the settlement of the Dutch at Cape Town established a trading post that brought the Khoisan and the Bantu-speaking herders and farmers to the same area. Over time they mingled and produced offsprings known as the Coloured which are mainly Khoisan and European. This group later rise up to take control of the area after the Napoleonic war. In eastern Africa, the trading among the various different local tribes and the foreigner necessitated a common language for trade and Swahili was born in this zone of interaction.--VanessaCleary 06:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)} [copied fr. Notes from Team B-Sommer/Miki-lee's - Opening Statement] SarahAnnMariePreston 14:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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Comments

Vanessa, I would love to explore this idea further. Can you add more too it? I'm not sure about the inclusion of East Africa as an example as the B-team does not discuss it. I do like how you referred back to our Opener, maybe briefly touching on a more general point would be better. SarahAnnMariePreston 14:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[6:57AM]


Sarah, paragraph above could be used in rebuttal to your point 3 (way) below. I don't have more to add to this but will add that, I think the Great Trek in my opinion is a strong point for them. We can argue that "the Great Trek represent the Boers people cultivating previously unoccupied land in the wild of Africa and thereby creating more arable land".--VanessaCleary 06:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Sarah's Point


S.Africa and the Great Trek

B-Team statement -"As European presence increased in South Africa, many were forced to take part in the Great Trek eastward to avoid British rule or remain outside the sphere of their influence"

the Boers relied on slavery, key to the glut of agricultural products found in Cape Town, so much so that African born whites could not make a living. When the Brits won control of The Cape via the Napoleonic Wars, the Brits brought their Enlightened Liberal policies with them. This included the abolishment of slavery. The Boers were impelled to take on "The Great Trek" in order to maintain the key to their livelyhoods...Slaves. avoided British rule so as to continue their oppression of the native Africans. The influence of the British was an attempt to create stability.

While the Boers can be proven as being key oppressors of the natives, they can also be demonstrated as exhibiting a level of integration with them. This can be shown, for example, in the mixed race dependents noted as numbering in their party. It can also be shown in the evolution of their own unique language Afrikaans, a combination of Dutch, native tongue and other...likely other European languages, like French via the Hugenots and German. Another example of the integration of cultures. [copied fr. sarah's rough ideas]SarahAnnMariePreston 14:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


And addressing the argument of Borders and maintaining ideologies as a concern to security

"In Europe, countries that were able to maintain their dominant ideology and defend their borders, such as England, France, and Spain, became the most powerful countries."

{these countries became powerful due to control of long distance trade....ie. positive, beneficial interaction between diff. cultures. adaptation- learn languages and "pleasantries" such as avoidance of social fo-pa's....ie adoption of Islamic religion in Africa for the purpose of trade, or the development of a trade language like swahili} [copied from Sarah's rough ideas]SarahAnnMariePreston 14:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC) {I would also like to add that these countries governments became strong due to a change in ideology. Political and social revolutions brought the needs and ideas of the people to the fore, creating a society more inclusive of the opinions of all classes and also granting control of trade and commerce into private hands.} SarahAnnMariePreston 19:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[12:19 sept10]

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Vanessa

"Africans would experience colonial expansion and exploitation, which would eventually lead to a “civilizing mission” as an attempt by Europeans to somewhat assimilate Africans into their own cultural realm, which gives further evidence to the turmoil that came about as a result of this clash of cultures."

{In southern Africa, the settlement of the Dutch at Cape Town established a trading post that brought the Khoisan and the Bantu-speaking herders and farmers to the same area. Over time they mingled and produced offsprings known as the Coloured which are mainly Khoisan and European. This group later rise up to take control of the area after the Napoleonic war. In eastern Africa, the trading among the various different local tribes and the foreigner necessitated a common language for trade and Swahili was born in this zone of interaction.--VanessaCleary 06:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)}

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Sarah

click to read>>>>> Notes from Team B-Sommer/Miki-lee's - Opening Statement


I'm going to post what I call a nutshell version of Team B's statement. Thesis, Main Points, Key Examples. From there I'll do some background research and then post what I think is the best way to oppose their main points. I'd like to compare notes. My plan is to have this posted for tomorrow evening so we can decide on our attack plan! Wednesday evening I'd like to collaborate on our 500 word rebuttal. I'd like to do this between 5:30 and 8:30 and have it submitted by 9:30, is this cool? E-mail me if this does not work for you!


Thesis

"The creation of states and colonization are products of communities seeking to protect their cultural and political identities."

Main Points- in no order

a)"colonial conquests quickly became the new frontiers of conflict between nations."
b)"countries have always sought to avoid foreign influence" "to protect national interest"
 c)"cultural minority group[s] within a state’s borders found themselves marginalized and pushed to the periphery of society"
d)"ethnic groups are forced to straddle political borders...threaten[ing] state security and thus add to strife"

{points c and d are related. These points pertain to borders. Conflict due to political divisions of ethnic groups whose traditions and beliefs are not recognised by the dominating ideology {mechanisms of social change...ie. Marx and the working class}

Key Examples

1. South Africa and the Great Trek
 2. fall of the Ottoman Empire and part of the area it used to occupy, Israel and Palestine
 3. indigenous peoples of North America and Africa, slaves in N&S America and the Carribean
 SarahAnnMariePreston 03:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[Sept 7th 8:48PM]


I have researched South Africa and the Great Trek, which I feel is Team B's weakest argument. My notes and referance links can be found at click on>>> The Great Trek (S.Africa)


I have also checked out the Fall of the Ottoman Empire, which needs more research in the area of European Weapons, prior conditions leading to the weakened state of the central gov't and reasons for it's isolationist policies click on >>> Notes and Referances


I will be late getting home both today and tomorrow. Hopefully you will have been able to post your findings and opinions by tomorrow dinner time (Thursday, 7PM) so that we can get this all squared away.SarahAnnMariePreston 14:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[Sept9 7:36AM]



click here for>>>>Sarahs rough ideas


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Closing Statement

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Concluding Statement:

The difference in opinion regarding the issue of whether zones of interaction bring about social integration and stability or segregation and social upheaval is clear. It is known that the integration of societies and cultures has brought about some of the greatest human feats. Incredible social, political and economic advancements have been achieved solely because of the merging of ideas. It is also granted that a significant amount of unrest and discord resulting from such integration has resulted from these efforts. This is important, as one must be able to understand that any improvement, be it in economics, politics, or society in general, cannot happen without conflict.

We grant that conflict and social unrest exists as a result of integration, but also as a cause of social integration and stability. The British influence in India demonstrates this point nicely. Political ideologies which were inherited by Indian governments after the conflict and social upheaval which occurred during the period of time in which British Imperialism was replaced by a competent and fully functional Indian-run government led to India having a much more stable and peaceful society for hundreds of years, as opposed to other Eastern-European and Asian nations.

Social stability should be viewed as a result of the integration of societies and cultures, as evidenced by most societies in today’s globalized world. Economic advancements associated with trade, social stability resulting from integration and integrated ideologies and political practices have aided nations since the beginning of social interaction, and as history shows, the nations which refused integration and social interaction seemingly fell by the wayside and were dominated by other, more ambitious nations.

Here is a very rough outline of my ideas for the concluding statement. Feel free to edit or change anything!! [Christopher]


Chris, this is awesome. I've left you a message on your phone and also sent you a Vista-email. I've posted my edit just below, feel free to do more tinkering. That last sentence....too long! But how to fix??. I'll be on-line all morning (6AM on). I can post it to the forum if you like. Again, this is perfect, I could not have worded it better myself!SarahAnnMariePreston 04:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[9:26PM sept13]

The difference in opinion regarding the issue of whether zones of interaction bring about social integration and stability or segregation and social upheaval is clear. It is known that the integration of societies and cultures has brought about some of the greatest human achievements. Incredible social, political and economic advancements have been achieved solely because of the merging of ideas. It is also granted that a significant amount of unrest and discord resulting from such integration has resulted from these efforts. This is important, as one must be able to understand that any improvement, be it in economics, politics, or society in general, cannot happen without conflict.

We grant that conflict and social unrest exist as a result of integration, but counter that it creates social integration and stability. The British influence in India demonstrates this point nicely. Political ideologies and economic systems inherited by Indian governments after the upheaval caused by British Imperial intervention resulted in a competent and fully functional Indian-run government. India emerged from the turmoil of social change a far more stable and peaceful society lasting hundreds of years, as opposed to other Eastern-European and Asian nations.

Social stability should be viewed as a result of the integration of societies and cultures, as evidenced by most of the societies in today’s globalized world. The economic advancements associated with trade, social stability resulting from integrated ideologies and political practices have aided nations since the beginning of human history. The nations which refused integration and social interaction seemingly fell by the wayside and were dominated by other, more ambitious nations. [edited version SarahAnnMariePreston 04:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)][edited last line SarahAnnMariePreston 13:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[6;15AM Sept 14,09]


Hey Sarah,

Your edit makes the last sentence much more concise. I'm glad you like how I tied everything up, but I just want to ask if you think we are missing anything? Otherwise, I guess the final rejoinder is ready for sending. Again, I apologize for not being able to contribute more in the beginning, but I'm glad everything worked out and it looks like all three of our submissions were phenomenal. Please feel free to post this in the forum. I have emailed you on vista as well, so if you want to send me updates, that would be the best place. Thank you for all of your hard work on this project!!

Chris


Hey back again,

No, I don't think you are missing anything. You've covered all the points I wanted to cover! I'll go ahead and post it. I think we are supposed to submit our Vista logs as well, so I will Vista mail a copy of the document to everyone, just so everyone knows what has been submitted. Thanks for the comments on the previous submissions! And thanks for doing the final statement! SarahAnnMariePreston 14:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC) [7:43AM Sept 14,09]


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