Course talk:HIST102/HIST102May09NapoleonBonaparteTeamA
Tom says: hey al says: hey, yay napoleon! Tom says: lol Tom says: ok so what do we have so far al says: Napoleon Bonaparte was a carrier of French Revolutionary ideals during his time in power. Napoleon brought an end to the reign of terror and upheaval caused by The Convention and The Directory. After years of riots and in skirmishes around the country in which thousands were sent to the guillotine, Napoleon stabilized the state. At the front of the army he brought pride back to French people after al says: years of civil strife and fear. The French people were
Tom says: oh al says: that is as far as i've got Tom says: i think for our argument its something like what his policy did Tom says: for example merit over birth al says: that sounds great Tom says: and equality under the law Tom says: but for some reason i keep thinking about stuff that can counter that lol al says: i know especially his secret police and propaganda Tom says: yea al says: not sure if we should mention his dealings with the church or not Tom says: well he did improve relationships with the catholic church Tom says: and stabilized religion in that sense Tom says: and assimilation of jewish people into french al says: which ties into equality Tom says: did he also introduce principle of religious tolerance for protestants? Tom says: im not sure al says: i was just about to ask that! Tom says: lol Tom says: well our main arguments will have to be on his laws and religion then? al says: sounds good, it says in google that he did emancipate protestants as well but i'm not sure if we should trust that Tom says: ok al says: should we talk about his campaigns Tom says: yea i was thinking about his military exploits Tom says: in a way thats helped him to consolidate power Tom says: but idk if that is part of the french revolutions ideal al says: i know what you mean Tom says: do we present our arugment in essay form? Tom says: or is it like forum post al says: well it was in a way preserving the french liberty to wage war Tom says: yea i geuss that works al says: http://wiki.ubc.ca/HIST102SECT98AMay09-ZoneOfInteractionATeam her is the link to another one of the teams Tom says: but for some reason i just thought up of a few counter for taht lol Tom says: oh yea i saw this one earlier today al says: i think we should go with essay maybe to be safe Tom says: alright al says: i think the rebuttal though will be different Tom says: rebuttal shouldn't be hard Tom says: but theres only a few points we could argue on for first one al says: yeah, so how do we go about writing this? Tom says: lets each write a paragraph on 2different pointss? Tom says: idk... Tom says: where is the other 2people in our group lol al says: i know, i thought nick would have contacted us by now Tom says: oh wait Tom says: i dont think jennifer is doing this so we only have 3people Tom says: she said she was going to speed up the course so it finish in august for her Tom says: but idk not sure al says: oh, that's probably a smart idea Tom says: yea.... al says: what would you prefer to write about? Tom says: well lets figure out which points we are going to include for this Tom says: so right now we have military-french liberty
laws-equality religion
al says: yes, i can't think of anything for fraternity al says: well if we have 200ish words for each and 100 each for intro and conclusion that should be perfect Tom says: for fraternity it could be something like how he gained support and unite the people? Tom says: no idea how to write on that one lol Tom says: yea al says: we could always tie it into that conclusion Tom says: ok Tom says: oh Tom says: nick is online
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Tom says: hi nick alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: hey nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: hey tom nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: sorry, im actually an RA, weird, but i had to shut a party down. it took awhile nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: sorryy Tom says: lol np alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: no worries alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: we were just discussing how to set up the essay nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: nice nice nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: what u guys thinkging Tom says: so far we have military-french liberty
laws-equality religion
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: yes that Tom says: was thinking about maybe write 1para on each Tom says: do you have any other ideas we can add to the arguement? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: uhh alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: sounds good to me and then come together for intro and conclusion and proof read? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: those are probs solid ways to go about it nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: will have to keep them pretty short eh alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: yep 200ish words Tom says: well its like 200words nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: 200 eahc Tom says: yea nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: whos doin what? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ill take the short end of the stick cuz i came late alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: i would say i'd be most confortable with religion or the army nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: as in ill take what ever no one wasnts haha alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: lol Tom says: lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: what u wanna do tom? Tom says: ill take maybe laws then alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: religion nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: army it is nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: that probs be my best so that worked out well Tom says: alright alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: yay! nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: umm we have one more member? Tom says: oh i think jen is speeding up the course Tom says: but im not totally sure nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: oh ok so its just the 3 of us? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: when should we get it done by? Tom says: we could start now nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: thurs? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: weds nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: friday nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: lol Tom says: lol Tom says: i think on the site it says post our argument by sept 7 Tom says: so thats tomorow lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: oh nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: nvm Tom says: haha Tom says: im reading gossens post on discussion Tom says: hes talking aobut a work log alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: sweet, should we meet back in a bit and polish and write an intro and conclusion Tom says: yea i think so nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: where did u see these dates Tom says: https://www.vista.ubc.ca/webct/RelativeResourceManager/Template/Orientation/09_DebateAssignment.html Tom says: i) a position statement that is pro or con the issue (1-2 pages of text, 700-800 words) Due Sept. 7th 2009 9am ii) a rebuttal to the opposing team’s position paper (max. of 500 words) Due Sept. 11th 2009 9am iii) final rejoinder (max. of 250 words) Due Sept. 14th 2009 9am
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
sweet
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
man i get so lost with vista
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
thanks
Tom says: np Tom says: well maybe we should copy and past this convo to wiki or something Tom says: so it shows the work log gossen is talking about nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ok so i dont wanna sound like an idiot but we are using eahc of our points to prove that nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
Napoleon Bonaparte was a carrier of French Revolutionary ideals during his time in power.
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: yeah that good nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: yea thats a great idea alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: yes, that sounds about right Tom says: yea nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ok how is everyone taking that like they have to flow so in your on words how are u seeing that statment just so we kinda all stay on the same lines alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: well i was thinking talking a bit about the previous regime and how they dealt with the issue and then how napoleon improved upon it nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ok so the rein of terror and robbes peierre or what ever his name one and how he lead as apposed to how napoleon did? Tom says: yea we can compare the way it is under napoleon to how it was in the past and how are things different alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: yeah and then how napoleon played a role in stabilizing the country alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: the revolution's moto was equality, fraternity and liberty so tying in those three would be good too Tom says: idk for me this statement is kinda weak, like you can argue about how napoleon changed and revolutionized things. but its harder to connect that to the ideals of french revolution alexajefferson@hotmail.com says: i think someone with superior writing skills to mine should also be in charge of polishing it up nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
Tom says:
hehe yes plz
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i am terrible with grammer
Tom says:
my writing is bad...
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says:
hmmm...
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
well lucky it is a debate right so grammer isn't like spot on like in an essay so we should be fine haha
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
im just worried im gunna go about my argument in the wrong direction
Tom says:
lol
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says:
true, well let's get started and when do you want to meet back?
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
yea deffs meet back
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
how long does everyone need/
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says:
depends on how much procrastinating occurs
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
haha true story, well lets say meet back in either 30min or 50.... i have to do rounds from 11ish-1120ish... but ill come right back
Tom says:
ok so how about 11:30
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says:
sounds good!
Tom says:
alright
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
cool
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
oh quick we all have to site right
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
?
Tom says:
um
Tom says:
i dont think so
Tom says:
like what is there to cite
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says:
yeah i don't think we do either
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
sweet
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
so we can just say shit that we know is true and its good
alexajefferson@hotmail.com says:
about right
Tom says:
yea lol
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Tom says: how is every one doing? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: little mroe then half way? al says: good, i've posted mine on the wiki nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: but ive only been typing for 10min Tom says: alright ill post mine on it too nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ill through what i hae out there maybe if its good ill finish quick Tom says: but im afraid mine is abit to generalized Tom says: feels like im writing to conclude this rather then arguing lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: yea i feel weird about mine to al says: haha, i know what you mean Tom says: ok posted my al says: i was thinking law first, then religion last army nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ok Tom says: lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: uhh how do we use wikki again? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: wehre do i get the link? Tom says: http://wiki.ubc.ca/HIST102May09NapoleonBonaparteTeamA Tom says: just log on using cwl Tom says: and click on edit Tom says: then yea al says: please feel free to edit anyhting you think needs changing Tom says: yea edit mine too Tom says: well Tom says: which one goes first? al says: i was thinking law Tom says: ok al says: army last? Tom says: yea i geuss Tom says: we just need to edit them so that they connect nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: kk i posted what i have nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: hope it makes snese thus far nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ill be done in like 5-10? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: sorry im slacking Tom says: lol np al says: how do we feel about using my little paragraph in the conclusion Tom says: yea Tom says: but it can be liek a bit longer Tom says: for the conclusion i mean al says: yes of course Tom says: idk but we can mention that despite there are parts of his reign that did not correspond to the revolutionary ideals, overall the changes outweigh his flaws nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: does anyone know for sure in napoleon used constription? Tom says: uh not sure about that one lol Tom says: oh yea he did nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: i know he used in in 1808 but i think i might have gotten rid of it before that... Tom says: yea he introduced conscription system Tom says: like in 1800 nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: hmm al says: def outweigh his flaws al says: not sure about conscription nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: yea i think he might have got rid of it becasue i know france was all roaw raow for war and ppl wanted to join nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: but he did use it i dunno if ever got rid of it tho nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ill just leave that subject alone Tom says: what should we do for intro then Tom says: btw that third para sounds good for both intro and conclusion lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: shit nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: like it should be the intro... al says: i think we should save the flaw bit for the conclusion so maybe start with the thesis and write a sentence or two about each paragraph Tom says: ok Tom says: well our thesis is that napoleon was carrier of french revolution ideals then nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ye that sounds good. how does my parapraph sound to you two, honestly. brutally honest lol Tom says: well i think that u need to put more empathis on what was the effect/legacy of his military career Tom says: instead of describing what happened nick_mcwilliams77@hotmail.com says: ye Tom says: or like how did his military career support the revolution ideals nick_mcwilliams77@hotmail.com says: yea i posted what i finished with Tom says: yea the second half part is what im talkin about nick_mcwilliams77@hotmail.com says: but ill move shit around i put way to much detail into the past Tom says: kk cool al says: i just wrote a bit of conclusion...thoughts? al says: edit away Tom says: ok for edit ill jsut add some stuff in parenthese Tom says: we can decide on what to delete after al says: sounds good nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: alrighty nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: done? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: and i like the conclusion nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: its nice and general so it really goes along with anything we could have said lol Tom says: lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: hows everyone feeling about the paragphs thus far? al says: tom i think we should keep what you wrote for the conclusion, delete my last sentence and put in one last concluding sentence Tom says: ok Tom says: well for the paragraphs i think that they present the arguments well but doesnt flow from 1 to the other al says: i put it in the intro Tom says: ok al says: i know what you mean Tom says: yea we ned to add like some words or phrases so they connect up Tom says: or idk Tom says: im no good at writing lo al says: me neither Tom says: k lets finish the intro first al says: k i'm ading some stuff right now nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ok sry had to go tell some kids to shut the fuck up Tom says: lol al says: nice! al says: added a bit of intro, tom wasn't sure what to say about the law stuff? al says: feel free to change anyhting Tom says: ?what law stuff nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ight im gunna write a start to the intro? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: cuz what we have now seems kinda like the end nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: ok i added some stuff, dunno? sounds ok maybe not wat u guys are looking for lol i honestly am the worst with essays so yea just throught id try nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: anywys al says: lol, me too. so far so good i think we are doing great al says: def think we need to start on our rebuttal earlier though al says: lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: yea haha to be honest i thought this was due next sunday lol Tom says: lol Tom says: yea i keep forgetting about vista dates al says: the rebuttal and conclusion will be super easy though Tom says: ok for what we have so far what do u guys think? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: i am surprised we put this toegher in such a short time considering we had never spoke before and i thought it was due in a week lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: props al says: i like the combined intro much more Tom says: oh theres 2 intros now nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: yea sorry we can just delete mine al says: i deleted the first one nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: either way lol al says: k, it's back someone decide what to keep and what to get rif of al says:
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: i added them toegehtr kind of? Tom says: ok i edited teh second 1 Tom says: there we go al says: excellent nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: sweet al says: does this mean we're done? Tom says: for now i geuss Tom says: we can edit this anytime we want anyways Tom says: oh wait Tom says: do we post this here or should we post this on the discusion forum on vista? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: uhh al says: i think both, i can copy and past it onto the discussion page and supply the link to here Tom says: alright Tom says: thats great Tom says: also Tom says: lets copy and post our convo to wiki nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: haha Tom says: start another section on wiki nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: both of them? Tom says: just wiki lol al says: how do we start another section? Tom says: actually Tom says: no idea lol Tom says: we can use a horizontal line al says: can you be in charge of that? al says: lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: lol Tom says: yea i put a horizontal line underneather al says: thanks buddy al says: should i cut and paste it right now? nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: are we good? i gotta run actually Tom says: um i dont have message history al says: does anyone else want to edit it? Tom says: yea coopy and paste Tom says: the convo nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: im good Tom says: i cant open up my msg history lol al says: i have this one but not the last one nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: me either Tom says: ok just post whatever u have then lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: the other one was better i think too lol nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: oh well Tom says: yea nick... eastside love in living on the west end says: i gotta go tho, good job team!!
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al says: bye Tom says: oh Tom says: lol Tom says: we need to find another time to meet? Tom says: for teh rebuttal and conclusion
Tom says: hey al says: hey, sorry i had work al says: any word from nic? Tom says: uh no Tom says: lol for some reason i cant go on vista now Tom says: it wont load for me al says: i'll email you the debate Tom says: ok Tom says: the rebuttal is due tomorow right? al says: yep, lol Tom says: lol Tom says: can u also send me the wiki? al says: http://wiki.ubc.ca/HIST102May09NapoleonBonaparteTeamA Tom says: thanks Tom says: ok so how do we do this rebuttal Tom says: how many words is it? al says: 500, so pretty short Tom says: so do we write it in essay form? al says: You now have until Friday to consider the other team's opening statement and how you might wish to rebut it. Keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with conceding certain points in terms of the opposing team's argument. Focus on what you think is the weakest part of their argument and try to counter it.
al says: that's what david says al says: i don't think essay, more discussion Tom says: oh so like a forum post Tom says: yea thats easy al says: yeah Tom says: ok lets find parts to counter lol Tom says: well like it says he fought against the revolution al says: well they talk alot about stability which is right but for the religious part he was bringing equality which is what they wanted Tom says: yea Tom says: yea its contradicting because the argument bases on civil law stating equality Tom says: its using it to argue against itself al says: ithey have a good point about the rich stay rich part but everyone was still equal so i think that was weak too al says: hahaha Tom says: yea the classism part is true but u can also say that there is more emphasis on merit rather than birth Tom says: napoleon himself is perfect example of that al says: i would agree with the secret police bit but they don't mention the army al says: yes good point al says: i think we should tackle this point by point and keep it as cohesive as possible Tom says: yea Tom says: lets make a list of points we going to argue first Tom says: so right now we have -equality -law -army al says: church Tom says: it says he fought against the revolution al says: and then i think we should concede to them on the secret police Tom says: didnt he fought for the revolution tho Tom says: in like 1795 he was promoted to general in the revolution al says: i agree but don't we still have to pretend like we do? Tom says: pretend what? al says: nvm Tom says: well like u could say that the purpose of the french revolution was for the good for france Tom says: napoleon did restore the order al says: exactly and he did this through his laws and the army which they never mentioned Tom says: yes al says: i think that would be a good closing remark Tom says: ok al says: your comment that is Tom says: ok so how many paragraphs do we need for this? Tom says: im thinking maybe 2 or 3 al says: that sounds good, short and sweet Tom says: im just reading some of his publications Tom says: 10 November, 1799 (19 Brumaire, Year VIII)
On my return to Paris, I found division among all the authorities, and agreement upon only one point: that the Constitution was half destroyed and could not save liberty.
All parties came to me, confided to me their plans, disclosed their secrets, and asked for my support. I refused to be one party's man.
Tom says: http://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/461/ Tom says: thats like evidence that he was not fighting against the revolution Tom says: but rather was chosen by all the parties al says: love it, he makes himself sound so noble Tom says: yea lol we have to take into account biase too al says: hey but it is a primary source...right? Tom says: yea its his first goverment announcement al says: oh alright Tom says: do we have to cite that tho? Tom says: im not sure where exactly that one is from al says: i would just put the link at the bottom Tom says: great Tom says: btw theres alot more sources on this site Tom says: http://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/searchfr.php?function=find&keyword=napoleon# al says: this is great! Tom says: hehe Tom says: lets start writing? al says: yes Tom says: lets write like 1paragraph each first Tom says: and then we can collaborate on concluding paragraph Tom says: or something al says: that sounds good al says: so one of us do intro and the church/equlity and the second do army, law and secret police? al says: 200 each? Tom says: i think law goes with equality Tom says: army secretpolice and church Tom says: and then conclusion could be how he is not against thre revolution Tom says: well church might be separate Tom says: its like law/domestic policies/secret police and army/military/foreign policies al says: that does make sense, i was just thinking in terms of the order of their argument Tom says: oh Tom says: well lets write it in the order of their arguments then Tom says: like they mention church first al says: perfect and equality can tie into everything which will make our argument stronger Tom says: yea Tom says: equality can go in the end al says: well i can do intro and church since i did it before Tom says: ok Tom says: i will do law then Tom says: and ill mention military al says: i'll metion secret police then Tom says: ok al says: lovely, when do you want to meet back? Tom says: how about around 11:45? al says: perfect Tom says: alright al says: i've added my piece to wiki Tom says: ok Tom says: ive jsut added mine Tom says: lol its kinda generalized Tom says: what do u think? al says: just got back from brushing my teeth, lol Tom says: lol Tom says: do u have school tomorow? Tom says: or work al says: i think it is great, ,mine? al says: is the start awkward? i didn't know what to say al says: i have school in the am Tom says: well for the start we could change it abit Tom says: like for mine i didnt know if we should mention team B lol Tom says: i just made it all general and listed the counterarguements al says: yeah, i didn't know how direct we should be. i mean it is a debate al says: it's not like he gave us very specific directions though... Tom says: yea... Tom says: well we need to change it up abit tho Tom says: like we both mentioned propaganda and censorship Tom says: its like overlapping Tom says: and then we can write one or 2 sentences to start it off Tom says: omg finally i can log on back to vista again lol Tom says: oh nick sent us mail al says: hahaha al says: oh, he did? Tom says: yea Tom says: i told him to come on msn Tom says: oh Tom says: team b Tom says: gave their rebuttal alrdy Tom says: on vista al says: oh.... Tom says: im just reading it righ nw Tom says: well Tom says: theirs wasnt really direct al says: well how is this a debate then? Tom says: idk Tom says: like for our arguments Tom says: they just had a response to every paragraph al says: seems pretty pointless if we aren't directly attacking what the other is saying Tom says: yea al says: then we are just repeating ourselves Tom says: yea keep the team b part Tom says: in the end we can just say that Tom says: regardless of his desire for power, he actually did all these things Tom says: and its not a matter of whether he did or did not, but a matter of how much he did Tom says: or something liek that Tom says: cuz team b's arguement was that he did all these things for himself al says: yeah, that's very true Tom says: but not mentioning the effects/legacy of what he did al says: i have to say their bit on the catholic church makes no sense Tom says: ok so how should we edit this then Tom says: should we keep the 2paragraphs and add more stuff? al says: yes Tom says: alright Tom says: well for the propaganda/censroship part we both overlapped on it al says: i can edit my bit after the church though...does it sound too mean? al says: yes Tom says: well keep the part after the church Tom says: its good al says: i made it a tiny bit nicer Tom says: ok the parts i put in parthethesis Tom says: we should take 1 of them out Tom says: because its saying the samething al says: lets take out mine Tom says: ok Tom says: lets write something for conclusion al says: how does that look? al says: yes Tom says: yea al says: i got an intro to the conclusion that mirrors their original conclusion al says: what do you think? Tom says: 1 sec im making some changes lol Tom says: fraternity is like brotherhood right? al says: yes, that motto has been ingrained in my memory since childhood. it's everywhere in france Tom says: so its like freedom of association al says: yes Tom says: ok al says: love it! Tom says:
do u think anything else we need to change/add?
al says: no, i think it's great...you? Tom says: yea al says: sweet, i'll post it and this convo Tom says: nice Tom says: oh post the convo on discussion Tom says: i posted teh other day's there too al says: how do i do that? Tom says: click on discussion Tom says: its right beside page Tom says: and then edit al says: lol, i was thinking of vista Tom says: lol al says: k, i'm away until sunday afternoon but i can meet then
Tom says:
hey guys
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
hello hello
al says:
hey, i can't access vista from this computer so one of you will have to post this time!
Tom says:
oh im at a library right now so i dont have all teh stuff lol
al says:
i could just email to myself though so it should be fine
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
ill do it
Tom says:
ok
al says:
what are the instructions for the conclusion?
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
my vista is slow but im trying to get it right now
al says:
sweet
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
uhh all i really see is it is supposed to be 250 words iii. final rejoinder (max. of 250)
al says:
sweet, let's get it done!
Tom says:
what do we write for conclusion?
al says:
i read his notive earlier today and it said not to repeat but add any last comments in response to the bebuttal rebuttal
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
yea probably just bring up our main points again
al says:
i can get vista upstairs but only msn downstairs so i'll have to leave to read their rebuttal again
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
briefly and say something about what they said and end it with a strong sentence ill cut and paste it
al says:
sweet
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
how do i find it?
al says:
i'll go read it but it's in the discussion section under napoleon team b
Tom says:
Now all that remains is for you to come up with a short closing statement by Monday, and then to fill out the evaluation forms which you can open from the Assignments page.
In your closing statements, try to avoid repeating what you may already have stated in your opening. Concentrate on providing a rejoinder to any new ideas that the opposing team raised in their rebuttal.
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Tom says:
yea
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
thanks
Tom says:
yea so what we going to do?
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
im just reading over there post but i think itll be pretty easy to close out
al says:
well i think their comments on religion are still way off, the french burned and killed thousands of people for their beliefs and napoleon was the first to make religious reforms
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
they make a lot of comparisons to our time
Tom says:
well liek it says the concept of liberty doesnt exist as it does today like nothing back then exist as it does today lol
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
yea, exactly
al says:
lol
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
womens rights? like all that jazz they talk about was way different back then
al says:
the french invented those concepts. it was funny i was on saltspring this weekends and they were selling french francs with - liberty, equality and fraternity on them
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
haha thats funny
Tom says:
lol
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
are u from saultspring?
al says:
no was at a wedding
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
oh true, k well 250 words we gotta be careful how we word it so we can get everything in
al says:
yep, can we really split it though?
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i dont really think so uhh ill try typing something up and we can edit the shit out of it together
al says:
k, i'll do a little bit too.
Tom says:
alright can u guys send me the wiki site? i dont have anything on my laptop lol
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i have no idea how to get to it
al says:
http://wiki.ubc.ca/HIST102May09NapoleonBonaparteTeamA
Tom says:
thx
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
is this supposed to be formal, cuz mine is not so much
Tom says:
maybe like semi formal
al says:
i wrote a little bit i now only have msn on this comp vista and wiki upstairs, i'm trying to get msn upstairs
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i wrote Rebuttal for their rebuttal lol is that kinda what we were looking to do? ill post it on wikki if im way off im way off lol
Tom says:
lol
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
there i posted it i put it at the top and just moved everything down a bit
Tom says:
i think like we can keep teh part that refers to their rebuttal but we stillned to conclude it
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
yee its only 180 words but if its not what u were thinking just delete it lol
al says:
with my bit it's 180?
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
im not really sure wat exactly to due, most rebuttals u just wanna kinda bring up your main points and try not to bring up something new but...thats not what were supposed to do right oh i didnt see urs is urs the first paragraph?
al says:
it's directly after you
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
just the one paragraph?
al says:
yep, before the page break
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
ye just wanted to make sure well argument is unreal, deff delete what i said about the church and add urs? then maybe make it flow well and through on a solid concluding sentence and were good?
al says:
yep, sounds good to me
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
bomb lets do it
al says:
intro sentence too
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
ye
al says:
what do you think tom?
Tom says:
yea lets join religion part with the last paragraph i think we just ned maybe 1paragraph for the arugments
al says:
i deleted my concluding sentence sweet i added a conclusion
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i cannot think of a good way to start this
Tom says:
well we can either start it by saying something like teh other teams arguments are weak/fallacious or we can like generalize aobut our original argument
al says:
i like the first idea
Tom says:
for example we can find a part of their arugment taht is like incorrect then we can quote it and then say somehting abou it
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
yea i like the first idea better to, it goes along better with our overall conclusion
al says:
well they do mention stability quite a bit but for his own gains so we could just reinforce that it truly was for the good of the french people
Tom says:
we could say that although he had a personal agenda, his reign still acknowleges teh ideals of the revolution and the will of the people like they go toghter
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i got something
al says:
i think exactly that
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
sorry i was writting that while u guys brought up the otehr stuff
al says:
i just edited it so it said following the revolution
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
i like it what u think tom/ al
al says:
looks grand to me
Tom says:
ye
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
cool
al says:
shall i send it and can one of you copy this convo to the discussion page
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
ill do it
al says:
sweet i'll post the conclusion then
Tom says:
ok
nick... eastside love in living on the west end says:
wait thats what i was gunna do lol ohh u mean the convo
Tom says:
yea lol on the wiki discussion page
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